Well the polls are closed, and this is what you, the public had to say.............



Results are as follows :



On the issue of solo piloting in the chopper-----> Public has viewed this question as ( If no one is asking for pick-up, let them solo )



On the issue of one man locked squads---------> Public has viewed this question as ( One man locked squads should not be allowed as it hinders our team )



Thank you everybody who voted !

If ROC is voting in it, whats the point? Leave it up to the players.

Becasue the admins can have opinions too.

This is a public vote. Thats why we posted it here also so the public can see it and come over and vote ! Please be my guess as you are part of the gaming community, and visit our site and cast your vote !

I would like to offer my vote, but.

1. You have to register on the site to have access to vote. Kinda like adding to your member count.

2. If you want the Public to vote as you state then open it up to any and all without registering.

If you ask for the general public to do somethingthen you have to be willing to Open it up to said public.

Are these public servers that the planet has to provide as part of the deal for "Trusted Ranked Partner"?
If so I do not think you would be allowed to do that, since it would limit a players ability.
http://www.ea.com/official/battlefield/bat...=serverpolicies
http://www.bf2rankedservers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6463

I included both EA's site as well as BF2RS so there would be no confusion as to what has been approved by EA and what has not.Seems that some
folks think that the ROE that was written with the community and with the help of BF2RS,Dice and EA is not approved. Which as you can see from EA's site,
they are approved.

No the ROE was not approved by EA. That has been stated time and time again. EA's official stance is that they are coming out wit ROC (Rules of Combat) and will release it when complete, until then the ROE is a guideline ONLY. This comes directly from EA legal.

BF2RS is only another server Admin group and reporting forum. They are in no way endorsed or officially part of EA.


Taken from the ROE Guideline

Public Ranked Servers and Private rented clan servers may introduce custom rules


2.3.2 Allowed “In-House” Ranked Server Rules:

Server Administrators may implement and enforce rules that result in minor changes to game play behavior or styles as long as these are clearly stated before a player starts playing on a server. These rules typically introduce minor restrictions on how a certain aspect of the game can be used.

(d) Making attacks on enemy main bases (flags that cannot be captured), including artillery strikes, vehicle drops to block runways, bombing runs with aircraft or sustained infantry attacks. (Note that specific attacks targeting the enemy commander’s asset buildings are always allowed, even if they are within the enemy main base.)


that clearly states that you can make a UNCAP off limits to everything except allowing assets to be destroyed. It doesn't say anything about "TRUSTED RANKED PARTNER"

Why may I ask is it on the EA BF2 web site? What it came down to was the BFROE guys acting like they owned the place. Which is why EA posted what they posted.
Not knocking BFROE but the truth of the matter is The ROE was written by a number of us, Indian was one of them, along with EA, and Dice.
Sorry there is one or 2 folks over at EA who do not know what is up on their own site. Most complaints came from BFROE being a little over the top.
Not saying it was not needed, but you can't piss off a large portion of the community and expect EA not to yang your chain.

BF2RS still is allowed to have Dice and EA post on their boards.
This is taken direct from EA BF2 site that I listed above

Battlefield Ranked Server Rules & Policies

Dice and EA are limiting trusted server software distribution to our network of ‘Trusted Partners’ in order to protect the integrity of the code system. We want everyone to be able to play Ranked Servers if they choose. It is imperative that all of these Rules and Policies be adhered to in order to create a level playing field for everyone.

Server Configuration
Something to be aware of with Ranked Servers is that they will have a number of settings hard-coded so that users cannot adjust them. These settings were all set as below to keep the competition on Ranked servers balanced across all providers.

Min Players: 16
sv.password = empty string. Ranked servers may not be password protected. Ranked servers are intended to be available to all players.
sv.numPlayersNeededToStart = (6 for maxPlayers 16, 10 for 32, 10 for 64)
sv.spawnTime 15
sv.manDownTime 15
sv.ticketRatio 100
sv.teamRatioPercent 100
sv.punkBuster 1

Though it is not required, we also request that all servers run Friendly Fire at 100% for all settings, including mines (sv.friendlyFireWithMines).

Ranked servers must be entirely "pure" with no customization outside of the default content shipped by DICE/EA. Ranked servers will not be allowed to run Mods or Custom Maps, as we cannot ensure the balance of these components. Custom maps are never permitted.

BF2CC may be used to access and adjust server settings.

We do permit map sizes to be defined independently of maximum players and minor admin enforced changes in game play behavior. These changes need to be explicitly announced either in the server description or somewhere on the loading screen.

Whenever there is a new patch released Ranked Partners are required to upgrade their servers. Ranked servers are not to run upcoming content early nor out of date content.

Exploit/Hacker Reports
Please provide screenshots and reports of stat exploiters or players using hacks in servers. There are 3 possible routes for reports.

1. EA Customer Support: http://support.ea.com/
2. Battlefield Ranked Servers forum: http://www.bf2rankedservers.com/forums/
3. Punkbuster: In the event you find a cheat, hack or exploit email what info you have to research@evenbalance.com

Rules of Engagement [RoE]
Beyond the server configuration settings there are many in-game policies for ranked servers. We refer to these as the Rules of Engagement, and they are managed by EA and Combat Studios on the BF2 Ranked Servers site. Due to the dynamic nature of BF2 this is a living document and subject to revisions. In the same forum there is a location to debate and discuss the RoE. These are rules driven by the community and thus feedback is imperative to keeping the RoE on track and fair.


You can find it here http://www.ea.com/official/battlefield/bat...=serverpolicies

The reason for EA's legal response was due to BFROE being over the top like I said before. BF2RS is in fact an admin group who maintains the ROE for BF2 with the Endorsement from EA

What you seek for answers, are posted by yourself ! It states we CAN make small changes in game play as long as we post in the load screens. And thats just what we did.

I also might add that we are only providing the public with a ( choice ) in which types of game servers they wish to play. So many players are tired of playing standard servers and constantly being raped on the carrier, as there is no clear stance by EA governing this. We're only as I said, giving the public a choice in which types of servers they wish to play. We offer BOTH types of game play servers, for both Wake Island and Dalian Plant.

Also the ROE was removed from http://forum.eagames.co.uk

Sorry but you are wrong. EA has not endorsed ANY reporting group. BFROE sent reports directly to DICE. Reports did not go through the normal channels, but directly to a specific person. EA has said time and time again the ROE is nothing more than a guideline. They are going to write the Rules of Combat, until then use the ROE as a guideline and they will only take action against a player for violating ToS and EULA. Thats directly from Violet and a letter BFROE received from EA legal.


BFROE, TotalROE, BFROC, BF2RS and ROC. None are officially endorsed by EA, DICE or any affiliate at this time. They all are or were JUST community minded players trying to help EA out. Please explain how BFROE was "over the top" all BFROE did was file reports for the community. No one at BFROE ever reset anyone. Just like no one at BF2RS has ever reset anyone. The argument that many players had with BFROE was due to IndianScout saying BFROE was officially endorsed. So be careful when you claim BF2RS is officially endorsed. They will come after you for it.


Many players like to think that BFROE broke up because of what EA has said about ROE not being official. Thats not even close to being true. BFROE broke up because of an internal disagreement with the GSP that hosted BFROE. many members of BFROE felt that in order for BFROE to be truly affective, they had to be completely seperate from any and all perceived influence. Naturally the GSP that setup and controlled BFROE felt different. Most of the Directors and members left and started ROC and changed the way they interacted with the community. Former members were brought back to BFROE which changed its name to TotalROE. No ill will has been wished upon any group.

PErsonally I would love to see EA make one if not more of the reporting groups official, but that has not happened at this time, and with EA legal being so skidish, I doubt it ever will. Good luck to TotalROE, BF2RS and ROC.

And just in case you have any further questions,,


Hello,

Thank you for contacting Electronic Arts.

With regards to your question, server administrators are allowed to set some rules limiting the attacking of uncapturable bases. In general, admins cannot create rules that limit the ability of a player to use kits, weapons, and vehicles, nor the ability of kits to use their secondary abilities (so a special forces kit would be able to destroy commander assets in an uncapturable base). Beyond these basic rules, administrators have some room to determine the rules for their particular server.

If you have any further questions, please let us know.

Take care,

EA Rep Fenris
Player Relations
Electronic Arts

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mmmmmm lasagna


The following is a response from EA

http://www.ea.com/official/battlefield/bat...=serverpolicies

once again, EA Legal sent BFROE that cause you guys were acting like Nazi's, Indian left BF2RS to start his own deal, the current ROE are still hosted over at BF2RS, why has EA not removed the link to BF2RS from www.ea.com/official/battlefeid2/us ????? Once again, I am not saying that some folks do not need to be hammered, but Indian pissed off a lot of folks. EA/Dice still sends folks over to BF2RS, sadly they (BF2RS) has slipped some. I just dislike you all taking a few post/letters that were directed at Indian, (he was founder of BFROE) from EA and misrepresenting them. The whole reason for EA's legal departments response, is due to Indian, No one else.
Nor am I trying to give you guys a hard time, just like the truth coming out. Combat Studios(parent company of BF2RS) still works very closely with Dice and EA.
So before you post another copy of the letter or posts answer why EA's US Battlefield site still has BF2RS on it.

Because EA is rather slow at updating parts of their site. It's not the first time they've forgotten to update something on their site.

I asked my EA rep about the deal with BFROE and was told that no admin group at all represents them. They didn't mention indianscout at all or even that there were individuals at fault. EA legal simply did their thing and cleaned up their ties with the admin groups.

I always find it sad when someone says another player or group is acting like a Nazi. Please tell me when did IndianScout or BFROE round up 6 million Jews and kill them in horrible ways? When did IndianScout or BFROE invade another country and enslave millions? When did IndianScout or BFROE preform medical experiments on millions of Jews?

When someone is called a Nazi it lessens what Hitlers Nazi party did to Millions of people.

BFROE worked closely with EA/DICE also. As a matter of fact the report BFROE sent in went directly to Colin at DICE. I was a Director at BFROE and know more about the workings behind the scenes than you do. You are basing your conclusions on speculation, which is never a good thing.

The facts:
EA has said the ROE is a guideline.
EA has said anyone can make reports.
EA has said the NO admin group is affiliated with EA in any official status.
EA has stated the no reporting system is Official
EA has said they will release the ROC (Rules of Combat) soon
MYIS (parent company of BFROE) still works closely with EA/DICE
BFROE shuting down had nothing to do with EA in any way shape or form

those are all facts.

IndianScout enslaved people with his admin powers in BF2

No offense was meant to anyone of the Jewish faith what the Nazi party did was terrible.

This was part of the problem with BFROE, was that you all thought you could slid things threw Colin instead of through the normal channels.

EA has always said this was a guideline From Day one, Indian tried to make it a bible

That has always been the case


Sorry little to strange how the Day EA comes out with the reply about the ROE that BFROE changes its name.
Please refrain from pissing down my back and telling me its raining.

To be real honest I do not really care, just like to see the facts straight, sick of folks white washing.
Indian never did anything to me personally, however he alienated a lot of the community. Which caused the guys over at BF2RS a lot of headaches
then he ran off with the ticket system that a lot of folks were working on together, not that they did not have the files, just they fact that while he was
working on something with a group of guys, he felt it was ok to take his work and theres with him to start something new. That has always bothered me.

As far as knowing things, you would be shocked at what some know, and what some think they know.

Peace love and firepower.

we didnt slide things through Colin, He told us to send them to him.

Actually EA used to say the ROE was official as it states on their website. They have changed their stance




Actually BFROE broke up a few weeks later. Not the same day. sorry, you have your facts wrong.

I can't speak on what Indian took from BF2RS, as I was not privy to that info, however I agree that Indian alienated much of the community and caused headaches.



Peace and happy shooting to you also.

Well my good man you need not worry about such things as this any longer. IndianScout is no longer with the program or affiliated with it for about 2 months now. He's off doing his own thing somewhere.

Yes it was a rough go there for a while attempting to recover from all the past deeds. It may take a while to do so, but we're currently striving to re-shape our image to the public. So far things are swinging in our favor as the public seems to understand and agree with our new make-over if you will. Kevin has also been very understanding and is working hard with us in every aspect.

Anyway, as I said we're reshaping things with in and around ROC and hope that everyone, including you Budo7, will and would understand and even offer a helping hand as you are part of the community. We're community based and community minded. The BFROE style days are over. Lets all move forward and look to the future !

Glad you folk are willing to give it a go, again, I know how hard it is, and it was made harder by Indian, Best of Luck to you guys. Hope to see you on the servers.

Budo7,

First Thank you for you comments.

Second, feel free to jump onto our forums at ROC and add t some of the topics. ROC will not ban a member of another reporting group like BF2RS does. Yes, I was baned from BF2RS for being a member of BFROE.

Sorry that they banned you, if it was right when the split happened I would understand, emotions were running high, however if it was latter, then thats fubar.

Nah it happened about a month ago. Its happened to many members of other reporting systems. If you have anything to do with any reporting system and they find out you get banned for no reason, Thats what my ban says NO REASON.

Its ok, Its not like I lost sleep over it.

Going to look into that, if so then I shall resign, because to me, the more the better for helping the community.I can understand folks who got banned when Indian first did his thing, but that was 2 years ago? Brain no longer works well. lol

It was right before BFROE split and TotalROE and ROC were formed.

Yay I'm not alone. I was banned from combat testing on March 22, 2007 for being a security risk apparently. I found that funny since I have a number of DICE on my MSN lol.

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Guess being a lead admin at PBBans is a security risk these days .

I like PBBans

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Poll has closed !

Results are as follows :

On the issue of solo piloting in the chopper-----> Public has viewed this question as ( If no one is asking for pick-up, let them solo )

On the issue of one man locked squads---------> Public has viewed this question as ( One man locked squads should not be allowed as it hinders our team )



Thank you everyone that took the time to vote !