Continuing this thread...

Lets talk about the community rules on ranked servers. Let it all out and talk about how you feel about their fairness to the gaming community. This is a touchy subject, and it seems we all have something to say on it.

Here's how to get the thread locked and have me consider closing your forum account. Call each other names, insult each other's intelligence, spout out random epithets and you'll get in the dog house. So here you go. This is your big chance to discuss this. If this degrades into he said she said, sniping, or anything remotely resembling immaturity then I'll send a note home to your parents in your knapsack about how you acted out and got your forum account closed. This goes for anyone, including BFROE members. I'll start with my take on the whole mess:

I really don't see the big deal. Ranked servers have certain EA approved and enforced rules that we all have to abide by. If you don't want to follow them then go play on an unranked box. Whats so hard about that? Discuss.

Edit: If you want to talk about I365's relationship with BFROE thats fine too. Just keep it mature and clean.

I've said everything I wanted to say in the other thread. I don't feel that I can do anything more because it's in the hands of the people who control the servers, BFROE. I can only hope that you will realize the mistakes that you are making. I support how you handle the TKers and hackers, but please leave the other rules alone.

I'm sorry for making a scene in the other thread, but it just grinds my gears when I get kicked for something I've been doing for years.

I posted a thread on the BFROE forums about several 'serial' TKers, and instead of that being taken care of, the thread was locked and I was told that I cannot post anymore screens because I have edited the localization files to have profanity when somebody TKs me. Is it just me, or does it seem that BFROE is circumventing their main purpose?

I anxiously await the official ruling from DICE that IndianScout is getting.

insomnia needs admin for glitchers/hackers/cheaters/
thats it.......
dosn't need a bunch of self imposed rules added to these servers. let bf2cc do its job {racial comments}and ban the above mentioned.



still waiting for bfroe server names/i.p.'s.
im sure the are empty. think about it kev.

ok ill start...why couldnt you choose BF2RS instead of BFROE when indianscout has a bad history with gamers already? just because they wrote the roe doesnt mean nothing. BF2RS is aware of the roe just as much of BFROE is.

My experiance is that these guys have ruined a great server, Indian Scout thinks this is a dictatorship. He has proved that he knows very little about the game whiht his comments, especially on Spawning on a squad leader when your team is capped out. Why have someone admin a server thet doent even understand the game. I'll have to agree with Mad Max when you say let bf2cc kick for language, 3 TK's and youre banned for the round, and have an admin to catch the commander hack. But giving these BFROE guys admin was a mistake. But like all mistakes, fixes are soon to come..I hope.

PS: Nice Sig max, is that a gun to an Indian Scout?

I must admit it's slightly amusing to see Jabomb on the receiving end of this "Random Justice" that Bfroe seem to be getting a name for. Jabomb, just to clarify, I'm not happy to see you be banned, nor did I really ever see anything on your behalf that would warrant such an action, but it's amusing how willing you were to see me be dragged through the mud over absolutely nothing but a few fools comments. Indian unbanned me when the facts were presented, but because of a couple of friends and immature, power-tripping fellow admins, I was rebanned with nothing except a "because we can" attitude.
One point I will argue here is this.. I happen to support Bfroe or atleast the concept/idea that they claim to stand for, but as with so many other examples in life, Even the very best Idea/concept can be absolutely ruined by people less than capable of sticking to the very foundation from which they have been built on.
I wish you luck Jabomb. And I hope that with some much needed intervention from this site, Bfroe will see their way clear to simply stick to the cut and dry rules. Honestly, DONT GET CARRIED AWAY WITH YOURSELVES with this very tiny bit of power you have. It's just a game and with some straight forward common sense applied, YOU WILL LOOK LIKE A MILLION BUX FOR ADMINING THE SERVERS.. Thanks

I think the ideal of BFROE running the servers is great. Only problem is that they came into the server with a big stick, attitude and a big book of rules. I mean hell I sign on and the next thing I see is teams swapping each round when I never saw a anyone complain. I don’t see the type of Squad play I use to see. It's like the military. Get a experience squad leader and he'll teach the noobs.

I will say the rules go for everyone. When I see a post from a BFROE admin about a great round with over a 100 kills and then I see another post about a player kicked for spawn raping.. What’s up?

Anyway I think all should chill. If needed I'll give out Dr. Phil’s private number.

In the end I believe in keeping the admins who should loosen the grip, get rid of the team swapping and squad disbanding each round, kick those who just come in to make everyone’s life hell and lets all enjoy a great game.

I don’t see this much shit slinging and I'm in the military.

Wow.. hello Mush.. One of the main "let me pile on" with nothing to back it up guys.. .. Nice to see ya.. by the way.. If you dont see this much !@#$ in the military now.. then the military is very different then it was 20 years ago.. LOL.. Dont be so silly.. this is a stupid game with a few guys struggling to admin it.. Please dont compare it to something so real as serving the country and the red tape that goes along with that! WOW! U sure you are in the military?

I'm only been in since 1983 and presently hold the rank of Master Sergeant ( E8 ). And I believe I have earned the right to compare it to what I want. How would someone who is 39 (From your numerous post stating this) know what the military was about 20 years ago. Serve a whole 1 year tour? I posted my thoughts and in the spirit of this thread I'll keep it that.

I apologize Mush, perhaps I had the wrong impression about you. I went in 20 years ago though I only served 4 years. I salute you for your service and I apologize for going off track in this thread.

Cheers

As for chopper soloing, i think this is perfectly legal.

Think of it like this. Being in a locked one person squad is the same as not being in a squad at all: no one can spawn on you. However, you can increase squad time by staying in the squad, which has no effect on the team. If you weren't in a squad and you picked up a chopper alone, how could that be worthy of banning? It's the same as being in a locked squad.

If someone got in the chopper alone, they can do whatever they want with it. It is optional to pick up another player or let someone spawn on him. Yes, it could be leaving another player that could potentially earn more kills for the team, but that is the pilot's decision. There are plenty of other vehicles in the game for other players.

Besides, how long do attack chopper soloists last anyway? A few minutes?

DISCLAIMER: These opinions do not reflect BFROE.

Jabomb9,

The people you took screenshots of and posted have been reported. We did act on those screenshots, just because you do not see what goes on behind closed doors does not mean nothing is going on. We acted on it. You were asked to not post screenshots that has vulgarity in it. The wording may have been different but that is all You were asked not to do. BFROE is a family friendly sight and do not wish to have vulgarity posted on it. That is in our posting rules. I personally would have no problem with you puting up a disclaimer, but that is not my decision to make. We would rather you not edit the screenshots to block out the text as a edited screenshot will ALWAYS come back from EA as invalid.



The reason for the team switching:

I understand this is agrivating, I myself like to make a squad so that anyone on the server that is having a problem can jump in my squad and talk to me via VOIP. Every round I have to make a new squad. Its not a big deal. just a few mouse clicks.

The reason it was instituted was that after watching the play for awhile we noticed that the teams were constantly getting stacked. Round after round it was so one sided there is no way the losing team was having fun. As a matter of fact the losing team was getting blasted so bad many were lashing out in frustration. BFROE decided to institute the team swapping option. As with everything we got many different replies. Many liked it, many hated it. On the whole it evened out game play and stopped most of the stacking.



Soloing in a locked squad:

When you have a squad of 1 locked it always looks bad from a padding standpoint; as many padders lock solo squads so they can glitch and not be spawned on. We ask that you do not lock a single player squad. Most of the time you have a friend playing anyway so just have them join your squad then lock it. Here is how it can hinder team play. If there are a few single player locked squads it can make it so that some players can not join squads if they want to. This is a direct violation of ROE.

As yo have stated, the reason you lock a single player squad is so you can solo in a chopper and not have anyone spawn on you. That is adminsion of not allowing other players to use a vehicle. wether or not you get the chopper first does not matter, the statement alone is adminsion to trying to stop another player from using an asset so that you can use it alone. Sorry, but that is a violation of ROE. Your intent is to fly by yourself and NOT allow another to get in with you.


Smackdizzle:

Your ban was lifted 2 times and you came back and started the same activity. You tk'd and hindered team play. Your claim of being banned for asking for respect is absurd. I can post the exact statements you made if you would like. They were far from asking for repsect. Couple that with the TK's and general bashing of other teamates and it comes back as a ban. As I told you i the thread you posted at BFROE, you would have only recieved a round ban until you made that last comment. Indianlater took the ban away, that very day you started your TK'ing and bashing other players agian. Mush posted the screenshots of it. Agian you were unbanned, and agian it all started right back up. How many chances do you think we should give someone that keeps comming back and doing the same thing? You were in the military; how many chances would a soldier get before an Article 15?

I hope I have answered everyones comments to their satisfaction.

Thank you
BFROE|ABN_RGR


Edited to add: I will reply to any constructive coments or questions. I will ignore any flames or insults. If you can not act in a respectful manner then don't expect me too.

However, creating single man squads does use the squad limit for a group of players who joins and leaves them unable to create a squad. Why create a squad if your not going to let people join you?

The thing is, you don't HAVE to create a locked squad to solo in the chopper. You can just not be in a squad at all. In this way, you could still have the chopper alone but not prevent squads from being made. It's like a lose-lose situation (according to bfroe) but i see no problem with it.

When team swapping was first introduced we were told that NUMEROUS Players had requested the changed. I have searched Insomnia and BFROE forums and the only 3 or 4 players that have been in favor of it are all BFROE Admins.

I still see the same one sided play. It's just the teams are switched. The same players with the same skills still pawning the other side. Here is a thought. Do what I do when you get tired of being pawned. SWITCH TO THE OTHER TEAM.

The few seconds and mouse clicks it takes to re-build a squad is time given to the other side (Who chooses not to squad) to build their defenses (lay mines, get into sniper position and such)

Leave insomnia to the original setup and do what you want to your BFROE Servers. I will be glad to recommend your servers to those who have a hard time figuring out how to swap sides.

TBH I think this should come down to how Klaude wants his servers to be ran as long as they follow the ROE. If he doesn't want to have teams swap then so be it but in the end as long as it follows the ROE then we will admin that way. If it doesn't then we need to look at other options to the problem. You all have to admit that the Insomnia servers are getting better and the amount of problems have decreased since BFROE took over. We have added players form the Insomnia servers to our staff of admins and this has helped us learn about the players and how we can better serve the Insomnia community. Look at our TS, it's filled with Insomnia players looking to help and having a good time so this proof that the players are taking responsibility for the servers too. BFROE admins are just like any other server admins we all do it a different way but want the server to be fun and full.

Now from a BFROE ROE side of things.

In the past we have kicked/banned players for racial remarks and left it to the players to either play on another server or talk to the admin that banned them to let them back on the server. As of now once the player has been banned for a racial remark that player will also be reported to EA for further action. My admins donate their time to admin these servers so if we are going to constantly be put down and raked over the coals then we should also follow the ROE and report the player.

If you have any questions please PM me at www.BFROE.com

BFROE|Dacster
Assistant Dir.

I'm glad BFROE have come to clean up the insomnia servers, but I do disagree with some of their actions.

I don't think forced team switch should be a rule, players should be able to play on their side of choice, this also generates more team play as the squads aren't killed every round.

No glitching/tking/force tking/hacking should be the only rules IMO, why kick people for playing one team two rounds in a row when there are people force tking and hacking.

Soloing in the chopper should definitely be allowed, as long as they don't TK for it or red-zone then they aren't doing anything wrong (just abusing a design flaw, which is allowed).

Insomnia without glitching/hacking/tking/force tking = best servers out there period, please don't ruin them with silly rules like forced teamswitching and no soloing .

errr...I last the whole round..



As far as I can tell, the rule is that you can't have one-man locked squads and solo in a chopper. As far as I know, you can solo in a chopper all you want.

Hey guys... you might know me as BFROE|Macstar55

I wasn't going to add to this flame fest but I just have a few comments to make. For instance on Sharqi US is the underdog most of the time. For them to find a good chopper crew to keep our MEC chopper down most of the game is VITAL to their teams victory. The team with air superiority most of the time comes out victorious.

In the instance of Jabomb soloing in a locked squad personally I say who the heck cares, but I'm in no position to offer recommendations or to butt heads with my lovely group of friends at BFROE.

One thing I will say is that Jabomb, I, and others are a master at soloing in the choppers. Keeping down the other chopper by soloing it is a HUGE benefit to your team. US spawns every 30 secs MEC spawns every 40, and a good solo pilot can keep that equipment down the whole game.

Now do you think Jabomb wants some guy named UlTr@$sn1p3r420 spawning on him and have no clue how to use a tv missile or gun? He definitely does not, because it would hinder his performance and most likely hinder his team in the long run. Now do you think Jabomb has a problem with UlTr@$sn1p3r420 getting in his chopper at the beginning of the round? Of course not, he would probably invite them into the squad and show them the ropes and give them some hints on how to be a good gunner. You have to remember as well that a lot of the time the gunners just wont shoot the gun as to aggravate the pilot. Believe me it happens VERY often. So it's not an issue of Jabomb soloing in the chopper it's an issue of someone messing up his game while he is doing an important task for his team.

And I and Jabomb and many others know about "freeloaders" these guys will make a squad and invite you.. then they will leave and rejoin making you the squad leader (half the time we don't even notice were joining a squad we just want to get the damn message off our screen). Then they will spawn on you if your solo in the chopper. I know multiple people that do this, and I hate it, and is one of the major reasons I used to lock my squad.

Were not even diving into the other types of tactics to ruin a solo pilots good run. People will switch to your team and shoot you down, they will try to get an invite into your squad and spawn on you and then not shoot the gun to be a dick.

Heres my take, if someone is typing to you in chat asking for you to please pick them up because they want to gun for you, then be a nice guy and pick him up and invite him into your squad. But if someone is shooting rockets at your chopper and team damaging because you wont pick them up then GOOD! That person doesn't deserve to gun. I think that if you want to lock your squad when your solo in the chopper by all means go ahead but if you do encounter that player standing on the helipad waiting patiently and asking nicely for a ride then hook the guy up. But it is ultimately up to the discretion of the pilot in my opinion. In-fact the rules could be interpreted to that a gunner should be kicked for not shooting the gun or killing ground troops as he is hindering his team. (that would be stretching it)

A few other points (sorry for the novel) We have lost a lot of good regulars that used come in a fly around and crew with the other guys all day long. So, by picking up a gunner remember that he/she might like the way you fly and end up becoming a regular. I remember when I used to start playing Sharqi I was horrible. People would redline be bc I sucked at gunning and tv's, but I took the flack and turned myself into a regular good player. I want other players to have that same chance, to become regulars and become proficient at their chosen tasks. That is the only reason I am in favor of picking up gunners despite their rank. But if Jabomb is doing an excellent job taking down the enemy chopper by himself, and protecting his team from sure onslaught, then he should be allowed to do so. Remember everyone in the game has an equal chance of getting in the helicopter.

Lol and if this hasn't gone on long enough. I am not for team-swapping it destroys the very essence of creating a team and a squad. A player should be allowed to play on the team of their choice. If other players are crying because they are getting owned by a certain person then let them cry. A player shouldn't have to sacrifice his style and preference of play to please people that have not invested the time into the game that they have.

Thats all I will say!!! Please come and play Sharqi everyone, we need more regulars!!

BFROE|Macstar55

UlTr@$sn1p3r420

LMFAO

But everything you said is true, mac. I don't boarder people or TK to get the chopper by myself, I just take the opportunity when it arises. I know a lot of people on the server, some are good in the chopper and some aren't. But like mac said, I will NEVER pick up people like sarkis, snipey, lordbongwater, or any other person that has pitched me shit before in the chopper. These people just have no patience to ask politely to be in the chopper. They constantly fling obscenities at me(which doesn't bother me) and shoot me with AT rockets or .50 so I can never take off with full health(which does bother me). That's a violation of the ROE for hindering their team. They should be kicked, not I, for playing the game legitimately and helping my team.

Last time I checked, that's now how it works in the real world. If I don't get the mashed potatoes passed to me RIGHT AWAY at Thanksgiving, I don't throw rolls at people until I get them. Grow up.

Amen Macstar! Well put.

well said macstar!

please post your resigination with BFROE immediatly. lol

Yeah I am gone from BFROE.

I respect each and every person in BFROE and admire their dedication and loyalty to eachother and to their program. I slipped up, thats all I will say

See you all on Sharqi

Sorry to see you resigning for telling us what you think. You did not slip. It was honest opinion and I'm sorry that someone in BF2ROE got on you for it.
That is not a good sign once again to see how Indian is running business out there.

Ok, thank you for atleast addressing me. And I hope you dont take this as a flame, it is a discussion. The only thing you ever showed in terms of screen shots was me making a sarcastic comment that included, "repsect the smackdizzle" and something else, that was mild, certainly no curse words or anything over the top. PLEASE SHOW THE SCREEN SHOT. Then a couple of pics were posted of me getting a TK and the individual giving his own version of how the tk happened, supposedly me saying nasty things or what not, however that is not in the screen shot. I dont know anyone on the server that doesnt have TK's.. IndianScout was over 13% TK's of his total kills as of a week ago.. Is he banned? no. I'm sure they were not intentional either.. Please just show the screen shots that justify me being banned permanently.. Thats all I'm asking.. Show them here so everyone can see what I was banned for. It is ridiculous to think I can just come on your site and campaign against another player and have him removed with no hard evidence..
I'M ASKING ALL THIS WITH THE ABSOLUTE UP MOST RESPECT. JUST SHOW THE SCREENS AND IF THEY ARE JUSTIFIABLE I WILL NEVER SAY ANOTHER WORD.. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Since my name has been used a few times against Smack I will ask one thing and that is to lift his ban. After reading a lot of the post concerning this issue and the amount of sincere regret on his part, it would be the right thing to do.

I would also recommend that we all take a moment to chill. Wouldnt hurt and it would give all a chance to cool off and make some rational decisions concerning the future admin management of the servers.

My 2 1/2 cents.

Mush

I sincerely thank you Mush.. When it comes to working things out, Black/White text can make it very difficult. However, after reading the last post by Indian accusing someone of "terroristic" threats.. I honestly cant say I'm sure I even want to participate anymore. I wish the whole server could have just been left alone now.. Hard to believe I feel that way after seeing so many idiots ruin so many rounds.. but now, after all this, I'm thinking it almost worked better with nobody playing God. Peace.. and Thank you again Mush..

just for fun though.. I'm still anxious to see the screen shots that led to my permanent ban.. Can we atleast see that?

First off let me say it wasn't Indian that let Macstar55 go it was I. As for the way Indian runs things you have to remember there other people there like myself that do these types of things.

As for Macstar55's opinion, yes we all have them but in this case BFROE must remain impartial in it's views and so must it's member's. By making a post like he did even though it may have been right or wrong this reflects on BFROE and so I took the action I felt needed. Indian had no say in this but then again I am the asst dir and sometimes we all have to do things like this.

I think all of you are idiots. Any game that requires this level of dedication to manage and play isn't really a game. Its more like a career or job.

I'm completely unbiased.

I think the player's are idiots. Comment's like "jeez bro go get laid" and the other crap is uncalled for. I imagine all of you being 14-15 with dirty Sanchez's.

I think bf-roe are admin-Nazi's. Seems they ban for little things. Even though they are here to clean up the server's I don't think you need to run "public" server's so strict.

Seems a lot of the player's have a valid points but it's hard to take them seriously when they act the way they do.

I really wish you all would leave this forum. It was bomb-dizzle 2 years ago. None of you are customers and what intelligence there was on this forum has pretty much ran null.

I wish we could lock this forum down to customer's only like softlayer has done. Atleast setup an insomnia365 only forum.

What part of Insomnia365 - "Free Gamers Forum" do you not understand. Click another thread and continue with your life.

Cheers

That's the thing there's 8 free gaymer's threads 2 each actual customer threads.

There's a free gamers "section", Not an entire different forum.

My life does go on, I don't care about my rank in battlefield. Let alone what some does on a server that's not mine.

Why a host on the level of the-planet's would allow this to go on in there community forum is beyond me. Any enterprise level customer would be like wtf? This host is nothing but a bunch of quacks. They need to lock it down like softlayer.

***Waits for enforcer to tell me about why you shouldn't gauge you host from the user's in there forum.....

Now this is the first time i've ever posted in this section, i play on the Insomnia servers and have been around and seen first hand how some of the BFROE Admins act.

But that post is wrong and hypocritical. I'm not turning this into a flame fest, and if anyone wants to contest this then please do PM me. However BFROE is not impartial and never will be. BFROE has banned people on my team for apparent Swearing when the admin is on the other team and could not possibly see it - all on the call of some 'admin bum chum' saying so.

EXAMPLE?
This thread here -
Quote:


Acording to BFROE they will never ban someone without evidence, however that being the first thread i looked in for an example i found one.

I think that having the Admins on is a very good thing, however BFROE are taking it too far. Most people like me are there for fun and having to swap teams because we're the stronger ones on a team or the such is quite rediculous.

I have followed all of the arguments here as well, and for my own curiosity i'd be interested to see a BFROE Server list which was promised in a couple of threads back.

Dacster WTF is BF2ROE?? Military unit? You run that thing so strict that it is becoming a joke. He did not say anything wrong and he did not deserved to be forced to leave. But whatever, you are all so sensitive about any comments so that did not surprise me at all. Bunch of self made posers pretending they are there to safe integrity of the game but instead got high on power.
It is just a game. ROE are a joke. EA made this game but they got no business in telling us how to play it. Ranking system made by them was design for sales purposes to attract more people to the game. People who pay for servers got every right to establish own rules and police those servers. Even knife and pistol servers are fine by me. I don’t give sh*t if they have more points then me. What difference that makes? Does this affect you directly? I don’t care if they ranked number one pubber on the world and I don’t care about their medals and badges. WHO CARES?
When I read that you guys are waiting for official ruling from EA on soloing in helo I laugh so hard. You think that will stop people for doing it?
What next? No solo flying in bombers? Will tank has to have gunner as well all the time?

If EA did not like something in game play they should tweak game with incoming patches to disable that part. If they did not then it is out there for all to do it. Honest players know how to behave and play game fair. Idiots and stats junkies are there and nothing will change that.

Actually EA has every right to tell you how to play as your account is owned by them, you own the game.

As for me removing Macstar55 I wont comment about it since it has nothing to do with this forum.

So are you going to show the evidence against me? It would go a long way in showing how impartial you are. And that you didnt just act out on me based on a few peoples complaints. Thank You..

Let me tell you all a little something. While being with BFROE for a little while I can tell you that in particular Indianscout, Dacster, and others are some of the nicest people you will meet. They get hundreds of complaints and issues a day that need to be dealt with, and it can be extremely stressful and quite and undertaking. While some opinions may vary, and we may not agree on things, I have nothing but respect for Indian and the others in BFROE. They have dedicated their time not to playing the game for rank but to make sure that every single player has the opportunity and chance to have a fun experience. This bashing needs to stop! If anyone feels the need to express themselves further you can come onto Sharqi and try to knife me

PeaceII
Macstar55

but you get axed the second you have an opinion that the masses like.