liltechdude14
Oct 3 2006, 02:51 PM
QUOTE (gator777)
I spoke with the folks over at Hyperina a few days ago, and I was almost convinced to sign up with them. They have a nice deal on 3.0 GHZ (duel core) P4 BF2142 servers, and they allow you to have FTP access and "Remote Desktop Connection" to your "Ranked" server.
They are able to do this because they block access to the Ranked server core files, thus giving the Admin control over the rest of the server and files. You could do the same here at I365, by having your end-users use Cortex for administration of their "Ranked Servers" Only, and allow general access for other game installs that are not included with Cortex.
I would actually save money in the long run with Hyperina, but I didn't get a warm fuzzy about their business practice. Also, I have been a loyal Server Matrix/I365 customer for serveral years now, and have been extremely satisfied with the support and professionalism provided by your company.
I only hope that you will take care of your long standing customers, and give us all a fair chance at renting a premium BF2142 "true" dedicated server at fair rate. I also hope you do not make us pay for another setup fee for those who only wish to convert (add) to a BF2142 server.
Thanks for listening
QUOTE (liltechdude)
What Gator said is true. What I365 can do is lock off the core Bf2142 files so that users can use FTP, and remote desktop. This would be awesome if you could do this I365, would bring sales up ALOT. I could almost guarantee it. If hypernia can do it then im sure u guys could. It wold bring endless possibilities including letting people host websites on their ranked server instead of having to buy another server. It would also let people use mods that are hard to install through cortex. Please consider this and tell us what you can do with this
Picchioni
Oct 3 2006, 03:31 PM
only problem with that, is it's easy to login to Remote Desktop and create an account that has access to the folder, hell you could even give yourself access without doing that
rabbit994
Oct 3 2006, 04:10 PM
QUOTE (Picchioni)
only problem with that, is it's easy to login to Remote Desktop and create an account that has access to the folder, hell you could even give yourself access without doing that
What Hyperia does I believe is encrypt BF2142 folder via a different user so you may not access it.
liltechdude14
Oct 3 2006, 09:29 PM
Well windows is easy to customize. They can make it so that there is no way of accessing those files.
thedude
Oct 3 2006, 10:45 PM
Just don't give root/Admin access.
Make a "power user" type account allowing access to certain folders, but the ones owned by root would be disallowed.
Thats a decent idea, but how easy would it be to somehow use what logins you do have to execute code or crack the admin password so you have the admin pass?
Picchioni
Oct 4 2006, 11:02 PM
Cracking windows passwords is a 5 minute job. I do it all the time at work for clients.
ajz4221
Oct 5 2006, 01:48 AM
There is no safe way, but if they can do that, I would like to see ThePlanet work towards the same concept.
I am a SA for a clan and we have been looking at one powerful server we can run multiple games on. I have been fighting for I365 because of CORTEX but we want BF 2142 Ranked when it comes out and a BF2 Ranked but access to install other games (such as games not supported by CORTEX). But in order to do that, Hypernia is what everyone wants to do (and makes sense for what we want).
Just thought I would add my vote here.
liltechdude14
Oct 5 2006, 04:15 AM
well lets see if kevin (klaude) will answer this for us.
rabbit994
Oct 5 2006, 05:54 AM
QUOTE (Picchioni)
Cracking windows passwords is a 5 minute job. I do it all the time at work for clients.
By cracking do you mean finding the password or simply reseting it? The way Windows file encryption works is part of the encryption seed is based off your password. If you abruptly change it, you will lose access to all those encrypted files.
klaude
Oct 5 2006, 09:52 AM
Our official response is we're looking into seeing what we can do, but I'm not really sure that we can find a secure methood for getting you guys desktop access on your ranked boxes. We tried to find a way to do this back when we started this whole ranking thing, and for every idea we thought of we thought of a way to break it. We'll keep poking at it though.
[HLA]SpongeBob
Oct 5 2006, 11:29 AM
QUOTE (klaude)
We tried to find a way to do this back when we started this whole ranking thing, and for every idea we thought of we thought of a way to break it. We'll keep poking at it though.
Stop thinking so hard. The first time was enough. It was the second thought that got in the way.
klaude
Oct 5 2006, 11:41 AM
Noted and filed! No more thinking for the rest of the day! I've exceeded my quota.
liltechdude14
Oct 5 2006, 02:36 PM
couldnt you just find out what hypernia is doing and copy them :-). Another thing is, you could force high group policy. Windows is highly customizeable with that stuff
ajz4221
Oct 5 2006, 04:45 PM
You guys are a far bigger company than Hypernia. They somehow managed to get a deal with EA.
Imagine having RDC access to ranked servers AND CORTEX...greatest game server ever?
liltechdude14
Oct 5 2006, 06:22 PM
it would be. Thats why i mentioned that they would get MAJOR boosts in server sales. The admin acess is what its all about
Picchioni
Oct 6 2006, 12:26 AM
QUOTE (rabbit994)
QUOTE (Picchioni)
Cracking windows passwords is a 5 minute job. I do it all the time at work for clients.
By cracking do you mean finding the password or simply reseting it? The way Windows file encryption works is part of the encryption seed is based off your password. If you abruptly change it, you will lose access to all those encrypted files.
Yes Rabbit I was refering to resetting them. However reassigning ownership I'm wanting to say will get past windows file encryption. I can't remember, I'll try it at work tomorrow
Yes cracking passwords does take time depending on the complexity of the password
rabbit994
Oct 6 2006, 08:08 AM
QUOTE (Picchioni)
QUOTE (rabbit994)
QUOTE (Picchioni)
Cracking windows passwords is a 5 minute job. I do it all the time at work for clients.
By cracking do you mean finding the password or simply reseting it? The way Windows file encryption works is part of the encryption seed is based off your password. If you abruptly change it, you will lose access to all those encrypted files.
Yes Rabbit I was refering to resetting them. However reassigning ownership I'm wanting to say will get past windows file encryption. I can't remember, I'll try it at work tomorrow
Yes cracking passwords does take time depending on the complexity of the password
If it works, let me know, that will defy everything I've been taught about encryption routine.
Though if they don't destroy the Encryption recovery cert before they encrypt everything, you still could get through it possibly.
What makes it difficult techdude is that if Insomnia goes down that road and EA one day says that their technique is not secure enough for the ranked system, then they lose the right to sell ranked servers.
Insomnia is trying to balance customer satisfaction and satisfying EA requirements for a secure ranked system. If you make 1 party happy by doing something, you risk upsetting the other. No easy answer for Insomnia IMO.
liltechdude14
Oct 6 2006, 02:47 PM
dude if Hypernia can do it, I365 can. Thats the point im trying to make
And the point I am trying to make is, Insomnia feels Hypernia is putting their ranked status at risk by doing it.
Gator777
Oct 6 2006, 03:05 PM
Thanks for posting this, and I hope I365 can figure out a way to do it. I would like to access the system and run Defrag and OS updates, and this would help greatly... at least the Defrag part. I could also upload games that Cortext does not offer.
Thanks in advance.
Granite
Oct 6 2006, 04:07 PM
QUOTE (Gator777)
I could also upload games that Cortext does not offer. :D
Thanks in advance.
That would solve many a problems
Picchioni
Oct 8 2006, 02:56 AM
QUOTE (liltechdude14)
dude if Hypernia can do it, I365 can. Thats the point im trying to make
I don't think saying "if they can do it then why can't I365?" is going to help you with your problems at all. You helping the situation would be giving them ideas on how they can a) give you what you wish and B) still provide the security needed so that way their contract with EA isn't lost
liltechdude14
Oct 10 2006, 09:22 AM
Well see this is what im trying to point out. They are the experts. I pay $219 a month for a server (if someone says thats cheap, well heh ur really rich). And if there is a way, they can find a way.
Picchioni
Oct 10 2006, 05:11 PM
QUOTE (liltechdude14)
Well see this is what im trying to point out. They are the experts. I pay $219 a month for a server (if someone says thats cheap, well heh ur really rich). And if there is a way, they can find a way.
*sigh*
ajz4221
Oct 10 2006, 07:13 PM
EA makes a ton of games. In order for good business, you need to support EA games.
Now, EA knows how much control they have over people. If TP looses support from EA, then business will fail big time in the GSP environment.
I am all for TP doing what Hypernia is doing, but if it puts their company at risk then it would be very bad business decision. Plus, TP is much larger than Hypernia and I don't think they would make such a decision. Heck, Hypernia shut down their servers to move to a new data center in FL. It would be impossible to move TP around. Just the size differences (and had to throw that in there).
liltechdude14
Oct 11 2006, 04:33 PM
Idk it could go either way i guess
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