http://www.ventrilo.com/announce.php?220_changes

I like this part the best:

Once people start downloading the new clients and then try to connect to the servers that have been given to them as part of a game server package, or rented outright as a dedicated product, they will quickly discover that their hosting company doesn't have the 2.2 version of the server. The illegal hosting company comes to the Ventrilo web site expecting to download the full-blown version of the 2.2 server. He then tries to install it only to discover that it's now limited to how it can be used. Now he has to explain to his customers why he doesn't have the 2.2 Pro server and why he wasn't licensed to begin with. Of course, he now risks possible legal action by his customers.

Is there more than the 8 slot limitation on the free version? I take it this is the only limitation.

It is also bound to a single port (3784) and I believe will attach to all NICs on your server on startup, so you can only run a single instance of it on any physical server.

Yeah but is it possible to crack cause no doubt someone will find out if its possible and change everything.

No I do not believe from what I see you can crack it. Besides you would need a server version anyway which if your not licensed cannot get. This gets mailed to you directly from Flagship when your license is approved.

ok. Do you get a special version and then install it on your servers because im surprised these licensed verisions dont get distributed anywhere.

Yes of course licensed hosters get a special version. (pro version)

There are alot of things licensed hosters need to agree to and sign before accepting the new version. We can not give out any information or the program itself. If we do we get shut down and can never get a license again. Do you really think legal hosters are going to take that chance?

Well you never know some may do.

Well I would hope none of you guys would think of doing anything like that.

Please don't mix up my good will with my business. I will squash your 'company' like a bug if I see any of the illegal hosters renting servers out once again. That is a promise. I do not do this for fun. This is my job, The same job that pays my bills and cares for my family. So I hope none of you guys that I have come to know don't get any bright ideas.

This illegal hoster thing has cost my company money and clients for the simple fact that the illegal hosters can and do undercut the prices since they don't have to pay things like license fees.

What good will? Did I miss something in this thread? You didn't give out the pro version did ya?

Dave

No, no nothing like that. I was more meaning my good will as far as helping people on the forums and off.

Oh Oh yea that. I've stopped to many new people cropping up making us look bad..anyway I see you are around perhaps I'll hop on your ventrilo for a few.

Dave

BTW, no you can't unlock the features in the free version, it is hard coded. I'm going to search for some open source app that is like Vent, I'm 100% sure one exists somewhere hehe...

^ Real mature.

Smell the sweet irony.

I'm authorized for 2.2 and I been with Ventrilo for about 7+ months now. I was worried at first about the changes in licensing, but I was glad to see they are protecting those of us that were honest, up front and square with them to begin with.

Old legal, authorized hosts = 100 slot minimum

New kids on the block = 500 slot minimum.

Brian did a good job of protecting his intellectual property and his hard work, but also throwing in some thank you tidbits for those of us that paid him for his services and his software.

I'll be moving to 2.2 starting tomorrow. Even though its still technically beta is it not? I like the added features, I like the quality. Those that just steal the crap will go host Teamspeak or something like that I'm guessing.

But yeah, those guys that offered 100 slot servers @ $15. Well, it doesn't take a intellectual wizard to figure that one out. You don't pay .10/slot only + bandwidth on a server and pay for that with $15. If you do, thats news to me, or you run a really shitty server.

All mine run @ 22Khz now. The sound quality is great, and some will say they can't really tell the difference. But for the $ I'm asking from them, I give them quality in return. The same thing Ventrilo has done.

For the guy with the cute little emoticon. The door is this way ------->

I'm with X-G on this one guys. The obvious abuses in the early hosters was easy to distinguish. When legit customers are charging .50-.60/slot and up. Do the math...

Your going to find most of the people doing the yelling about 2.2 are the people that were illegally hosting. They are mad they can't get over anymore.

I'd love to go one step further and see laws put into place for things like "starting a game server company"

For one the definition of company is used alot when in fact 95% of game hosters are not incorporated.

Let me expand on that a bit more.

Second: If you wanted to start a business in any town in the US you would have to go acquire the licensing and in alot of cases provide a business plan before you can be approved. The internet should not be any different just for the fact that customers should be protected by the same guarentees that you would have if you shopped locally. As it stands anyone can rent a server or website and sell anything they want on the internet without anything in place to protect the consumer. I find that a tad bit shady at best..
Not to mention it would help strengthen the market for companies like GSP's and webhosts because only the ones that are serious about providing their services would opt to pay the additonal costs to acquire licensing which would lend alot of credibility to the market as a whole.

I mean come on guys put yourself in the consumers shoes. Most of you are renting servers here because SM has a good reputation and a solid track record. You have researched many companies and decided to rent here because of these things. You wouldn't trust your servers to a company that is run by a teenager who does this after school would you?

This is one of the things that just drives me batty sometimes... It doesn't have anything to do with the money or trying to take more of the market, It is about the reputation of hosters and companies. GSP's have the worst reputations as a whole for the same reasons outlined above.

/end rant

I would just like for there to be an option to host your own 30 slot server or something from a reseller. Other than the licensing fees for vent btw, there is pretty much no useage. Bandwidth is close to nil unless you have say 300 clients on non stop.

I believe Flagship is checking alternatives to this, There has been alot of talk lately and I think something like this will be made in the near future.

This is from one of my posts, i must have put it in the wrong thread.


"I dont know if I'm seeing things or what. But East Coast Gaming Network was an illegal hoster for ventrilo, But now they are hosting. Their link is on his hosting page now. I thought illegal hosting companies would not have a chance or even be considered on getting a license through ventrilo, no matter what the case was. So is Flagship going back on his word?"

Let me get this straight..... they found people who were selling Ventrillo without a license, so they have now killed Ventrillo as a FREE Voice Server option for people like me that do not sell servers?

Heh, scew them then, TeamSpeak is still here!

There is a free version but it is only max 8 slots.

Personaly I think this could have been handled better. A private license should have been offered for a reasonable price.

The REAL reason they did not offer a private license to legit users is simply to secure corporate orders...not piracy protection. It is allot easier to get $800 out of a re-seller if there is NO version of your software available to the public at any cost. At least they could have been honest in regards to this.

We have used Vent legally for a long time....we bought a dedicated server to escape dealing with re-sellers...now Vent is trying to force me back to a re-seller...no thanks. I know they have a great product but we will find something else and YES, gladly pay for it if required.

Unless you are Flagship or have a copy of the license in your hand you simply cannot make statements like "the REAL reason"

Right now alot of the "legit" hosters are actually trying to persuade ventrilo to offer some sort of limited license for guys like you. I'm sure this will become a reality very soon.

I think the 8 person server restriction is pathetic. We dont have ANY voice server hosters in australia - hence we have to run our own voice servers or use an ISP's. Now no isp is going to offer vent because they dont want to pay for something they are offering for free. The clans that did run their own servers out of colo (all 4 or so of them) now cant use vent, and those who ran it of their home connection cannot either.

So you have the following problem for vent users here:
- No hosting companies offering vent in the country
- Ping too high to the USA to bother renting there
- ISP's wont offer vent anymore
- Cant run your own as you get next to no people in it.

Australian clan wars in all games (but CS pretty much) are 10vs10 and upto 18vs18 in some cases (bf, dc, and now vietnam). So essentialy you cant get your whole team into a vent server, and that doent include those who are listening to the war.

Sooo, now everone uses teamspeak and ventrilo (what very little support there was) is now utterly dead in australia. I dont know of a single person in the australian gaming community who uses vent anymore.

Looks to me like this flagship dood is a bit of a money hungry pig..

Flagship told me that there was no chance of any private license being made available in the forseeable future....that tends to mean "a long time". I was actualy very surprised they took the time to respond to my e-mail, at least that was nice.

Look, I am not mad or ranting against the "man". I believe in the power of the almighty $. But I think it is head in the sand mentality to believe that a move like this was made without clear intent to drive people to re-sellers and jack up the value of a license to the re-seller.

If and when Flagship decides to offer a license to individuals I will whistle as I write the check (or type my CC #) but for now I feel sold out. And I believe that all the legal users out there, myself included have a right to feel this way.

I'm not disputing the fact that some of you guys got left out in the cold. I have actually went to lengths to get something in place for private users. My word is only one but as a licensed hosters I feel there is something that can be done and will continue to support this issue.

We have already looked at ways to accomodate some type of reseller package but to be honest with you it would be too much work for us. I'm not even worried about the income because our thoughts would be to make it so the pricing would be pretty much the same as we would pay for it but the bottom line is we just don't have the extra time or man power to deal with it.

You pay your bills with ventrilo servers? Never knew a ventrilo server could make that much money.

Honestly, this is a crock. I tried to get a license in Jan. but was told to wait until version 2.2, that it would be something. Yep, Something alright.

I am a small company, not yet made the millions. I needed just 100 slots to start, can I get that? Heck NO...gotta start out with 500. Like I wanna throw money out the window. I do not have 100 clients to sell to let alone 500.

I really like the “Indirect” sales…..lol

Then hit me with the garb of $500,000 fine for getting my server hacked and there program stole. Yeah Right .

This takes the spoon right out of my mouth. Most all of us that want to do things the right way get the door slammed like this.

I'll take my biz to Team Speak.
Ventilo and Brian can go play there game...with out me and I am sure many others.

Mark my words, someone will hack a server get the program and blam, the whole show is over.

I just won't be part of it.

This is a nice job of rounding up customers for your "Licensed" hosts

I understand what you are saying.. PM me I think we can work something out. Also, just having a copy of the binaries won't do you any good as there is a license key that must be inserted (it is then deleted) for each server to even start. It auth's with the master ventrilo server to verify you are valid. I'm sure there are ways around it, but I'm sure it would be difficult and pretty easy to track.

Dave

Hi guys, Im new to the forums here so dont slam the newb!

I agree with TP, we wanted a license as well, We had never rented any servers of Ventrilo, but the competition was, so we decided to give our customers the option of TS or Vent. As like others, we were told to wait until 2.2, so we did, we waited.

Time comes to get the license, 500 minimum...cmon, thats crazy, if anything the new licensees should get the break. We wont be renting Ventrilo servers now or in the future, Like flagship says, "screw me, shame on you, I dont forget", well so do we, we rent TS servers with our game servers and everyone including x-Ventrilo users are happy, as a matter of fact, the customers think Flagship is crazy, hes really hurting himself in the long run this way, the public isnt blind.

Hes picking on the wrong people, theres room in this business for everyone that wants to do it right and legal, we are one, but Im not paying his "Bill Gates" fees to use his Voice server when there are others that we can at a reasonable fees.

Just had to...couldn't hold it in...

http://forums.clant2k.com/showthread.php?s...1571#post421571

How long does it usually take to get teamspeak licenses anyway? I sent in their paperwork a few days ago so I was just wondering if it's normal to take a few days. Maybe they're getting a flood of new orders?

They do indeed take their time. When we first got our license it took approx 3 weeks to even get a response from them.

Dave

Ive been waiting 2 months...

I believe they lost it or threw it out

2 months? Sheesh, our product lines may change by then. :shock:

I sent in an e-mail last weel asking for a price on my order.
I hope to hear something soon.

Seems as Ventrilo deleted my post...I guess the Truth Hurts!

We have turned to TeamSpeak and so far I must say I am impressed.

You can find the pricing link in their forums, but I'll save you the search. http://www.teamspeak.org/files/ You can fill out their form there also and send that in. It's basically 0.13 euro/slot which is around 0.10 cents per slot making it about the same pricing as ventrilo.

I noticed that. I don't even think anyone had a chance to reply to it.

Their new codecs aren't too bad, but that older version didn't impress me too much unless you like mechanical voices. I do like some of the other interfaces a little better like their web administration interface.

Thanks !!

Go TeamSpeak !!

we got our in about 6 days.

Yeah the TeamSpeak web-admin is sweet. I also agree about the older versions codec issue but that seems to be resolved in the newest version.
Overall voice quality seems to be just as good as Vent. And admin setup is a breeze.

Also the ability to record is nice.

After a day of experimenting I truly like it MORE than Ventrilo.

ty, Flagship

Hmm. Not sure what to do about this. 8 users is enough for us, I think, as I don't think we've ever filled up more than that. But the moment we need more, and there's nothing better available, goodbye Ventrilo.

This whole ventrilo situation just reinforces why opensource software is so great.

maybe someone should point Flagship to this thread.

He may see the error of his way's....I doubt it. Sounds as he has his mind made up "for the bad" .

This will make TS tons of money....I wonder if Ralf of "TS" will call to thank Flagshi*.....lol

about Teamspeak.....

can i use it privatly for free??

im starting a club here at my college ( a competitive gaming club.... ) and were prolly going to get a server to host some public nad private servers... and will need voice communication when were not at the local LAN center....

if only SM had servers in NY

TS can be used privately for free, i offer free teamspeak off my server to anyone who wants to use it, get about 30-80 users in there some nights.

Been using TS for over a year now, its been awsome to me. The GSM codec was fine before they had Speex. CELP is the only one that sux, and i dont allow users to create channels with it on my server.

I had to use Vent once to talk to a friend - and i was utterly disappointed in it. Everyone made it out to be this awsome program, its like using a PHP chat script compared to IRC

I strongly reccomend any private users that were burned by Flagships actions give TS a test run.

The voice quality "might" be slightly lower for some users tho never BAD if the proper codec is selected. For many it is equivalent to, or even better than Vent. Also there are several nice features that I think put it above Vent:

Web Administrator.

Record conversations.

User administration is a breeze.

Setup is as simple as possible.

Oh, almost forgot....it is FREE to private users and according to the developers ALWAYS will be. However I would suggest that if you enjoy it and are financially able, send them a donation.