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Police Search Michael Jackson's Ranch
Lippy
Great artist and dancer, but a sick man.
LighthousePoint
indeed.
RBohm
Sure, he's sick, but after the last time why would any parent let their child stay there? You have to wonder about that. They had to have thought of it at some point, especially after the publicity surrounding his statements about how sharing a bed with a child is natural and loving.... maybe with your own child, when they're scared, hurt, or sick, or just for some quiet time, but not someone elses children for any reason, at any time.
I feel terrible for the child if what he alleges is true, but I have to wonder about the parents motivation for allowing him to be placed in that situation, and spending time with a "superstar" doesn't cut it in this case.
As a parent, if there was even an inkling something may not be kosher, I wouldn't put it to the test....I love my children too much.
PDM
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why would any parent let their child stay there?


Unfortunately many parents lack the brain cells to deal with this issue.

Thank goodness someone is finally there to protect the kids.

I'm gonna stay up all night to get a chance to see that perv get taken off the streets.

I want to see if he's as good at the "perp walk" as he was an the "moon wall" or what the heck ever he called it back when.

Get that FREAK behind bars where he belongs:mad:
marauder
You have a very good point. I would not trust any of my loved ones around someone who has had suspicion of even such a thing. It is truely a sad thing that a parents incompetence and innability to act human about things that it would lead to a child being violated in such a personal way.

No one has teh right to allow these kinds of things happen to children. However it happens all the time. - It is a sad thing.

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Originally posted by RBohm
Sure, he's sick, but after the last time why would any parent let their child stay there? You have to wonder about that. They had to have thought of it at some point, especially after the publicity surrounding his statements about how sharing a bed with a child is natural and loving.... maybe with your own child, when they're scared, hurt, or sick, or just for some quiet time, but not someone elses children for any reason, at any time.  
I feel terrible for the child if what he alleges is true, but I have to wonder about the parents motivation for allowing him to be placed in that situation, and spending time with a "superstar" doesn't cut it in this case.
As a parent, if there was even an inkling something may not be kosher, I wouldn't put it to the test....I love my children too much.
splinternic
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Originally posted by RBohm
Sure, he's sick, but after the last time why would any parent let their child stay there? You have to wonder about that. They had to have thought of it at some point, especially after the publicity surrounding his statements about how sharing a bed with a child is natural and loving.... maybe with your own child, when they're scared, hurt, or sick, or just for some quiet time, but not someone elses children for any reason, at any time.  
I feel terrible for the child if what he alleges is true, but I have to wonder about the parents motivation for allowing him to be placed in that situation, and spending time with a "superstar" doesn't cut it in this case.
As a parent, if there was even an inkling something may not be kosher, I wouldn't put it to the test....I love my children too much.


Exactly. And even worse are the 2 mothers who made babies for him and then gave them to him at birth--COMPLETELY UNBELIEVABLE WHAT PEOPLE WILL DO FOR MONEY!
PDM
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2 mothers who made babies for him


Well now what would he be dangling from second story balconies it they hadn't provided him with those babies:eek:

Sick just doesn't even come close to describing this FREAK:mad:
REBIS
They never said this incident was recent. I'll be extremely surprised if he doesn't get off. He's got Scott Peterson's brilliant lawyer plus all the money in the world. I'm not saying he's innocent, but if it can work for OJ, it can certainly work for Jacko. At least he didn't kill anyone.
REBIS
He tried to warn us, and everyone bought the record but nobody listened. rolleyes.gif
PDM
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I'll be extremely surprised if he doesn't get off


Hope you're wrong on this one.
foggy
Happy late halloween
REBIS
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Originally posted by foggy
Happy late halloween


Indeed, he's beginning to look like one of the zombies from his Thriller video. It's enough to scare Freddy Kruger! I'm surprised they didn't make him remove the lipstick before they took the mugshot. Btw, I was at Neverland yesterday, but Peter Pan didn't show up.
PDM
SCARRY indeed!!!
seven
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Originally posted by REBIS
I'm surprised they didn't make him remove the lipstick before they took the mugshot.


I heard it was tattooed on.
REBIS
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Originally posted by seven
I heard it was tattooed on.


Well then, they should have made him remove his lips! You'd think most kids would run away in terror at the mere sight of Jackostein rather than want to have cookies & milky with him in bed. Even Marilyn Manson looked better in his mugshot. Of course, they made him unscrew his quasi-dialated pupil! :eek:
LighthousePoint
yeah he has "permanent" makeup... Not comming off without a cheese grater -- and I don't want to be around for that one. :eek:
REBIS
It's hard to believe somebody actually paid to look like that...and that someone other than Bela Lagosi would agree to create such a hideous monstrosity. Money or not, his plastic surgeon must be a sadistic SOB! Or perhaps MJ did it himself with acid, bleach and a rusty knife. rolleyes.gif
LighthousePoint
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Originally posted by REBIS
...and a rusty knife. rolleyes.gif


it was a spoon, actually... a rusty spoon. icon_wink.gif
REBIS
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Originally posted by LighthousePoint
it was a spoon, actually...  a rusty spoon. icon_wink.gif


ROFL! icon_biggrin.gif
Maybe he needs cool.gif glasses. rolleyes.gif
splinternic
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Originally posted by REBIS
They never said this incident was recent. I'll be extremely surprised if he doesn't get off. He's got Scott Peterson's brilliant lawyer plus all the money in the world. I'm not saying he's innocent, but if it can work for OJ, it can certainly work for Jacko. At least he didn't kill anyone.


According to CBS, he's $200 Million in the hole, and with nobody buying his records anymore, it won't be long before it's auction time at Neverland.

It'll be a tough prosecution, but whether he gets off or not, I think he's finished.

People are more forgiving of a wife murderer than they are a child molester, especially convicts.
madsere
Michael in red? I find that difficult to believe. I'm sure he has assets, such as the rights to the complete Beatles works, that could be sold and bring in a serious lump of money.
Erwin
I think he lost a couple of law suits with his accountants, didn't he? And that put him in the red?
splinternic
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Originally posted by Erwin
I think he lost a couple of law suits with his accountants, didn't he? And that put him in the red?


I saw it in a video at http://cbsnews.com, but they didn't give much details.

I guess spending a million a day on doodads in Vegas shops didn't help the situation. It seems he really needed the income from his new release and contracts.
freddo
I guess one of the saddest things about this thread is that people have an inate belief that people are guilty, or they are guilty because they look different.

Nobody here has an personal experience of being molested by MJ but all seem to think he's guilty-
1) because the news says so
or
2) because he chooses to look different.

I don't know whether he's guilty or not, that's up to the courts to decide, not me (as I only have heresay).

An interesting thing happened in Australia recently. A women rose from being an ordinary citizen to running her own party and actually seriously challenging the major players. A couple of months ago she was accused of electoral fraud and disallowed bail. She was tried, found guilty and imprisioned - for two weeks. An appeal overturned the conviction. She was actually innocent.

During all this mayhem, it came out that the political party in government had been collecting funds and using them to prosecute her. In fact, the initial complaintent clearly stated that he would not have brought the action had he not been paid to do so. This was all clearly stated in the media.

Now for the interesting part. Even though it was fairly obviouse that we had a travesty of justice many people believed that she wouldn't have been arrested if she wasn't guilty. In fact, on being released from prison, Pauline herself stated that she had always believed people wouldn't be in prison unless they were guilty.

I think it's really sad that we have this belief that the people must be guilty because they have been arrested. Especially since in my life I have met many cops who were corrupt, and many people who will prosecute for personal gain (look at the insurance industry).

Just my 2 cents...
splinternic
Yes, in the US there is no rule of confidentiality prior to conviction as there is in much of Europe, so you're guilty until proven innocent.

The payoff of $15 million to the kid who made the previous allegations was a mistake from both sides because if it was true, Michael could have been prevented from abusing more children and the kid still could have gotten millions in a suit for damages and if Michael was innocent, Michael's payment of the money made people think that he probably was guilty.

The California law has been changed so now the children, sadly, can be forced to testify, so their silence can no longer be bought.

The, in my opinion, particularly damning fact this time is that the abuse was originally reported by the kid's therapist as required by California law and not by the kid or his parents.

That, however, doesn't make a conviction more likely, and there's still a good chance he'll get off (no pun intended.)
Ivan
Michael is definately a little weird. Just so happens being weird is not a crime, and he does admit to sleeping with boys, but he says its totally innocent (which it may be), but its still totally inappropriate behaviour. He's obviously set himself up for this.

Still, I think I would reserve my opinion until I see some evidence, With his weirdness and his behaviour and his money, he is a very easy target for someone who wants to make some serious money.

He does totally deny the charges, but then again .... he totally denies having face surgery. lol

I've always kind liked the guy and he is very talented and I really hope he is innocent (not just bet the charges, but truly innocent). If so, I think they should at least make him submit to some kind of counselling to learn what is and is not appropriate behaviour with kids.
REBIS
Ivan:

Well, it is obvious that your dancing was heavily influenced by the King of Pop. icon_biggrin.gif

I agree that everyone is too quick to condemn Jacko. He is bizarre, yes, but so was Howard Hughes, and if he wants to look like a cross between Diana Ross and E.T., that's his perogative.

I find it kind of strange that this kid (and his parents) were apparently all for Michael as judging by the documentary which he was featured in, and that it took this long for someone (a psychologist, no less) to decide it was time to make a move. It would not be difficult to believe that the whole thing is either a publicity stunt or a creative way to earn a pretty penny, as in the previous case (true or not). In any event, give the guy a fair shake and check-out the official rebutals at his new website:

MJNEWS
Ivan
Looks like the recent charges againt "The Gloved One" are unfounded.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.html
madsere
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Originally posted by Ivan
Looks like the recent charges againt "The Gloved One" are unfounded.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.html

Hm, have you read this sworn declaration describing Jackson's alleged abuse by the last victim ?
Ivan
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Originally posted by madsere
Hm, have you read this sworn declaration describing Jackson's alleged abuse by the last victim ?


Yes, I have read that. I'm not saying he's neccessarily innocent, but it looks like these last allegations are unfounded.

Regarding the sworn statement from the first time, for 20 million$, I might even swear that he abused me too. lol

I think its one of these things that we'll never really have proof of, we can just decide whether we want to believe it or not.

My Mom still swears that OJ was innocent because the glove didn't fit. lol
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